I would say that's highly unlikely... I think 7's can sometimes be mistyped 4's -- and that would be a much better fit. I honestly couldn't say how they would act. My mother is an INFJ/4 and I also have a good friend who is an INFJ/4 and both of them have told me there are things about me that they envy (like spontaneity and positivity) -- however I'm unsure if that is coming from their INFJ or their 4 lol

The other possibility is that the person is a mistyped ENTP -- though they only share two cognitive functions, it is possible for an ENTP to mistype as an INFJ, or vice versa.

When looking at the correlations between the two systems, there are definite patterns (though not always followed) and I've found this site: MBTI and Enneagram: Their Relationship and Complementary Use to be quite helpful. So, there COULD be an INFJ 7, but it seems unlikely.

 

Is there? :mellow:

Yes. I'm an INTJ and a 7, and there is no reason why there shouldn't be an INFJ 7. Personally, I think MBTI and Enneagram are a lot less correlated than tests make them look. I usually score high on 5 in Enneagram tests, but I don't identify with 5's motivation at all; but a lot of the attributes assigned to 5s are also simply INTJ attributes.

An INFJ 7 would probably act more restrained than the typical 7 image and probably get their enjoyment from more intellectual sources. What defines a 7 is their motivation to be happy and their ability to make themselves feel happy; they feel that this is what defines them. (Well, at least I do.)

 

The reason I asked this was because I wondered if I could be one (7w6 instead of 6w7). It's because of what my early childhood was like:

Personality Types: Chilhood Scenarios for Enneatypes: Law of Three - Enneagram and Myers Briggs

Active child vs. Responsive parent
This scenario is thought to produce Enneagram type 7

The demands and concerns of the Active child are usually received with benevolence and a supportive, encouraging attitude. This creates a tolerant environment in which the child can express himself openly and receive attention without much effort from his part. The Active child becomes self-confident, carefree and expects his interactions to be positive and favorable to his needs. The Responsive parent is sympathetic and loving, thus stimulating the child's playful, self-expressive side and giving him a good deal of personal freedom.

This childhood scenario promotes a cheerful, optimistic type who knows how to charm and manipulate others into easily getting his way. Entertaining and expressive, such a child may later expect instant gratification for all his needs and desires and avoid investing time and effort into long-term goals.

I am an only-child and I was a very difficult baby because I had some birth trauma. For the first 2 or 3 years, I woke my mother up to 12 times a night crying/screaming and she has ALWAYS been responsive to my needs up to the point where she got physically ill from it (she was alone with me).

Both of my parents were - even though they were splitting up around the time when I was born and eventually got divorced when I was 2 - always responsive and somewhat proud when I tried to be dominant or cheeky or stuff like that as a little child.

My mother has always been poor. But I was lucky that I still always got enough money from random people. I never had to work in order to get by. There has always been (and still is) someone who provides me with what I need.

I do have a lot of confidence that my needs will be fulfilled at some point and that everything will be fine in the end. But (seldomly) I can also be kind of devastated when this isn't the case. Often I even demand my needs to be fulfilled in a way other people wouldn't dare to. I have been seen as egoistical because of that. But I've always seen the things I've demanded as things everybody should have the right to demand for themselves.

I have lost my cheerful and confident nature somewhere along the way for different reasons.

I'm not someone who likes to take risks like extreme sports or stuff like that. And I'm not participating in things that might get me physically exhausted in general. Or things that I don't think would be pleasant for me physically or any other way. Yeah, I'm afraid of unpleasant things. But those things are mostly things most people would think are fun.

Could this be an unusual way of expessing a core 7 fixation?

Or should I stick with 6w7?

My thread about what type I might be.

 

Somebody once told me to look at the negative qualities of the type in order to really get an idea of which type you are. Have you tried taking the test here at PerC? Comprehensive Enneagram Quiz

 

Thanks, yeah, I have. But it doesn't help much. I always get 5w4 4w5 9w1 in different orders.

 

Is There Such A Thing As An INtp type 7?

 

If you want to start your own thread we can discuss it there... I don't want to hijack @PlushWitch's thread!

 

@possiBri

Ok, I just asked spontaneously. I thought it's linked in some specific way. Both types (INFjs & INTps) are introverts. En. 7s are extroverts. Isn't it paradoxical? Idiosyncratic? Upss...sorry...goodbye!

 

It is... that's why it's unlikely. I would think that if you're an INTP and typing as a 7 there are two possibilities. Either you're a very healthy 7 that is very introspective. Conversely, you could be a mistyped ENTP that is testing as INTP because 7 goes to 1 when stressed... and I could see perfectionism mimicking Ti in such a way to make it score higher than your Ne.

 

I wish I knew German! You definitely seemed more confident when you were speaking in German. Personally, I could totally relate to your demeanor. I had to make an introductory video for a class and it was really difficult for me to make it because I was nervous and kept getting hung up on words. I think a lot of this had to do with not knowing what I was going to talk about and being unable to reel in any ideas long enough for me to elaborate. I'm guessing the ease of making these videos comes with practice... but anyway, it was kinda tough for me to notice anything that struck me as something a specific type would say/do. Do you have any writing? Like a blog or something? Or maybe would you be willing to write about something that is important to you (maybe expand on your cat)?

The main thing I noticed was how aware you were of your eye movements -- and that they were "wrong" for the video. I'm not sure if that would be a 5 thing... but it's quite possible. You also mentioned in one of the videos that you were trying to be more controlled, which could also be more of a 5 thing.

You're probably not going to like this suggestion (I'm sure you're sick of taking tests)... but I'm curious how you will type with just one more test. This is the test that is from one of the best Enneagram books I've ever had the opportunity to use. The Quick Enneagram Sorting Test The way it's done is a bit different from most of the other online tests and I have found it to be the most accurate for me. This is just a suggestion, mostly to help me get just a little more information.

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Also, here are two descriptions I thought were pretty helpful... just for another perspective on 5s and 7s.

FIVES: Fives are cerebral OBSERVERS motivated by a desire to gain knowledge and be independent and self-sufficient. They observe life from a distance, guard their privacy and space, and avoid being engulfed by others. They feel more safe and in control when thinking and analyzing than when in their feelings. They are individualistic and not influenced by social pressure or material possessions. They can sometimes feel socially awkward. They do everything they can to avoid: intrusive/demanding people, expressing strong feelings, large crowds, feelings of inadequacy and emptiness. Unconscious focus of attention: observing; analyzing; thinking; guarding their privacy of space and time.

Healthy Fives are objective, focused, calm, perceptive, insightful, and curious. They have ingenious insight.
Unhealthy Fives can be intellectually arrogant, withholding, controlled, cynical, negative, standoffish, and stingy.

SEVENS: Sevens are vivacious ADVENTURERS motivated by a desire to be upbeat and on the go, to keep their options open, and to plan for new, exciting experiences. They view life as a fun-filled adventure, yet they also want to contribute to the world. Sevens have fantastic imaginations and are constant seekers of excitement. They do everything they can to avoid: boredom; painful emotions and anxiety; limitations, constraints and restrictions on their freedom; the drudgeries of life. Unconscious focus of attention: planning for pleasureful activities; enjoying and experiencing life to the fullest; any new, fascinating information; seeing the interconnection and interrelationship between diverse areas of information; being spontaneous and on the go; new, stimulating people and conversations; what I want to enjoy.

Healthy Sevens are optimistic, enthusiastic, spontaneous, idealistic, curious, generous, and often multitalented. They uplift and enliven others and are fun to be around.
Unhealthy Sevens can be self-centered, self-indulgent, insensitive, narcissistic, hyperactive, undisciplined, and have problems with completion and long-term commitments.

 

it was kinda tough for me to notice anything that struck me as something a specific type would say/do. Do you have any writing? Like a blog or something? Or maybe would you be willing to write about something that is important to you (maybe expand on your cat)?

Hm...well...the only "blog" I have is here on PerC. And there are a few about my husband's type and then there are two about personality terminology which I found should be revised. And I have a Google sites thingy with poems and stuff...It was a tough time when I wrote them and they're all in German. Plüschgedichte

Hmmm...and I also think I have written quite a lot about myself in this thread where the videos are from. Though I'm not entirely sure if it's complete or anything. Probably not. :crazy:

I've got a youtube profile with lots of films of my cats and favourites lists and stuff: YouTube - PlushWitch's Channel

One thing that has always been extremely important to me has been finding a partner. And I have never been discouraged by failure and extreme disappointments....always went on seeking. And I wanted long-term commitment which doesn't sound like a 7.

Sometimes it's really hard for me to stop joking and making funny remarks about things and it can get really annoying - even to myself.

I laugh too much...and often out of insecurity actually...

Hm... I think important values are to me: honesty (also in an open way)/truth, fairness, equality (not that everybody should be equal... but more like equal rights to have their needs met. and I don't like hierarchies). Sounds 6-ish?

The main thing I noticed was how aware you were of your eye movements

Haha...guess, I should have mentioned that most of those videos were actually made for my INFJ video challenge in which we INFJs were supposed to act against our nature and stare straight into the camera. Especially in the German video my view got all blurry which is why I had not that many problems talking anymore. (Blurry view or looking around works for the thinking. :wink So no idea if that's very telling then. Maybe the fact that I started such an INFJ video experiment thread might be more telling...? :mellow: No idea.

And I started the http://personalitycafe.com/infj-forum-protectors/59416-gently-honest-mistype-revelation-thread.html which was kind of a taboo and controversial at first but turned out to be highly appreciated.

Hehe...actually I've been doing such an extreme amount of different tests and each of those twice or more often. :laughing:
Most tests will ususally tell me that I'm most likely a 4w5. And sometimes I'll get 5w4 or something. And 6w7 is also a result from time to time. The "invisible" result in my signature is what most tests told me recently...

I did the test you linked to two times.

Probabilities for Your Type (1)
One of these three types
is most probably your type 4, 8, 9
These types have a lower
probability of being your type 5, 6, 7
These types have a low
probability of being your type 1, 2, 3

Probabilities for Your Type (2)
One of these three types
is most probably your type 4, 6, 9
These types have a lower
probability of being your type 2, 5, 8
These types have a low
probability of being your type 1, 3, 7


Some time in the past I got 4, 5, 6 as most probable.
It's not very likely that I'm actually a 4. I don't seem very 4-ish when I compare myself to pictures of actual (famous) 4s. And I have been walking around as a 5 for some time. But some person instantly suggested that I'm probably not a 5 - only if I were desintegrating. I'm also not relaxed enough for being a 9. So that's what makes seem 6 the most likely overall...and people got that "vibe" from me. I don't score high on 7 at all. That's why I even ruled out 6w7 at first. But...yeah...I can't be a 6w5.

I also considered being a spoiled 7 because, when I was a little child/toddler(?), some guy claimed that I was "too healthy".

I can relate to type 5 descriptions. But it's not as easy for me to entirely relate to type 7 descriptions or the way some (extroverted) type 7s I know act. :mellow: Still...the more I look at the description, the more I can relate. But I think this is quite typical for an INFJ...

I have bolded some stuff I felt like I could relate to. But there might be more or actually less...

SEVENS: Sevens are vivacious ADVENTURERS motivated by a desire to be upbeat and on the go, to keep their options open, and to plan for new, exciting experiences. They view life as a fun-filled adventure [When everything goes well, I can see life as that...and even now a bit], yet they also want to contribute to the world [yeah. But how? On forums? :crazy:]. Sevens have fantastic imaginations [no idea, actually ] and are constant seekers of excitement [no]. They do everything they can to avoid: boredom; painful emotions and anxiety?; limitations, constraints and restrictions on their freedom; the drudgeries of life. Unconscious focus of attention: planning for pleasureful activities; enjoying and experiencing life to the fullest; any new, fascinating information; seeing the interconnection and interrelationship between diverse areas of information?; being spontaneous and on the go; new, stimulating people and conversations; what I want to enjoy.

Healthy Sevens are optimistic [can be - especially according to okcupid. But actually I consider myself realistic and can also be seen as pessimistic by some], enthusiastic, spontaneous, idealistic, curious, generous, and often multitalented [uhm...jack of all traits or something... :tongue:]. They uplift and enliven others and are fun to be around [no idea].
Unhealthy Sevens can be self-centered, self-indulgent, insensitive, narcissistic, hyperactive, undisciplined, and have problems with completion? and long-term commitments.

Uhm... here's another video - from the same thread as the others. It's also in German and it's not entirely genuine, afaik. But maybe it could still help...no idea...

Uh...all this is a lot...please only look into all those links this if you really enjoy doing it. lol

 

Ni-Dominant types tend to have brilliant insights into “what’s going on” thanks to the flexible and instinctual Introverted Intuition function. INxJ Sevens are similarly flexible, and use their understanding of systems to keep themselves constantly engaged.

Read the source!

 

Actually, you just described me. I am an INFJ 7w8. Essentially, my greatest battle in life is conquering my emotions. I have to control myself so that I do not act foolishly or in rage. Normally I am the strong an silent type, but once in a great while I become blinded by rage and have to control my aggression. This is rare. Normally I am impulsive and happy to try new things. But I force myself to stick to a hard routine that keeps me focused on what's important. Without a to do list, I am lost in whatever distraction pops into my head next.

I have done so many different activities that it has hurt my ability to focus on what is important sometimes. I have to meditate on what I need to do, but when I get focused I am unstoppable.

 

Late to the party. However, I think there can be any MBTI/Enneagram type combination.

According to my book Introverted Sevens are more reserved, private, and quietly playful. Intuitive Sevens tend to be imaginative, creative, and innovative. Feeling Sevens are gentler, more sympathetic, and more people-oriented. Thinking Sevens tend to be objective, logical, challenging, and blunt.

Judging Sevens tend to be good administrators and organizers with excellent follow-through on projects and plans. Sevens often prefer Perceiving. They like to keep their options open and sometimes have difficulty seeing projects through to the end.

Sevens *tend* toward Extroversion and Perceiving.

Hope this helps.

 

Well... I've taken a bunch of tests... And i always seem to score infj and type 7. Except once it was infp... But never before or since...

so itd seem that yes. There is. Though its probably rare. I think it has to do with a combination of your environment and experiences...

i litterally hate being unhappy and i avoid all negative ppl because of it. Idaf if they are my own momma... (which btw i do avoid for that very reason)

i also have a very chearful disposition, always see the bright side of everything, have a habit of distracting myself from my pain, and love to learn and experience new things. And i get bored super easy.

that pretty much summed up a seven.

as for infj... I dont really know too much about that, especially cognitive functions. After reading the descriptions they seem spot on. Actually, i found alot of similarities in types 7 and infj

i get drained by interacting with ppl. Unless its interesting to me... I think being a infj and a type 7 is why i feel so confused about whether i'm extroverted or introverted.

heres an example of both (perhaps?) i got tired of the bs of my life and wanted to focus on my writing. So i came to phx, az and lived on the street for 7 months. Half the time in a cardboard box. And i absolutely loved it. I have no fear of being homeless and its actually a welcome retreat from the slavery of our lives. No one tells you what to do... No bills... No worries (except finding food and water etc.)... No headaches.

but i got bored and loney, got an internet gf and vowed to get back on my feet and do something with myself. The relation didnt work out, i found a few more (one at a time) but now i'm in school and i have my own place. I hardly leave my house cuz i live cracktown but i have a great time writing or acting out scenes.

lots of the standstills i arrive at can be directly attributed to my infj vs type 7 conflict. It makes major sense to me.

 

Wow... thanks for sharing!

 

I'm INFJ and tested 7w6 two times out of three (the third was 6w7). I'm a total newbie in the Enneagram business. I've felt like an INFJ gone bad, because I'm too bubbly, (too?) happy-go-lucky and my attention span is way too short (though I'm definitely an INFJ). However, I got ADD, which covers the short attention span thing. Testing as type 7 still seems to explain a lot. I feel like there's way too much of me, like two different people inhabit my body (not in a schizophrenia kind of way). I guess they're friends, but having way too many sides in me has been kind of overwhelming. Granted, I mostly enjoy the ride.

 

What an INFJ 7 would be like? For starters, they would be very difficult to type, as the standard descriptions of 7's tend to site examples of both Extroverts and Sensing preference people with the core motivations to seek fun and avoid pain. However, things like carousing and extreme sports are seldom fun to INFJs. The primary source of fun for INFJs is their imagination - which also includes their NF idealism, insight, curiosity, and detachment from 'reality'.

An INFJ E7 would be a little like an ENFJ, but much more motivated by the things in their imagination than the people around them. They would be a talker and love energetic small groups that are also enthusiastic about their interests. They would make jokes, often inappropriate jokes because of their Se animus. They would constantly talk about things that are fun to them - though this might not be instantly apparent to others because what INFJs consider fun isn't what most people would consider fun - such as movies, video games, books, anime, and any other dorky outlets their Ni fixates on. INFJ 7's are very likely to be found trying to live out their fantasies in things that let them simulate the experience.

When healthy, they're either leading or supporting a group of like minded people on a journey through their subjects of interest, helping to generate enthusiasm while providing their unique spin and idealistic perspective. When they get to average levels of health, they start to lose focus on what really matters in life, and begin to indulge their nerdy distractions, often overwhelming themselves with many areas of interest, shifting from one to the next, always following their enthusiasm. When they reach unhealthy levels, their fantasies are more important to them than reality, yet their fantasies aren't entertaining them any longer. They enter a crisis of boredom and complacency, and rather than combat it with good old fashioned living, they become bitter and jaded. Their playfulness becomes cruel and edgy, criticizing all the causes of their fun no longer being fun. Eventually, they start grasping at anything that might seem like it could be fun and branch out into subjects related to their former areas of fun, all the while becoming more and more indecisive and unable to ignore their sources of stress that make them grumpy and desperate for happiness.

Some examples of INFJ 7's would be the people who dress up in costumes at science fiction conventions, MMO addicts on "roleplaying" servers, and the resident coffee shop philosopher who loves to talk to people about all sorts of strangely interesting things. The quintessential nerd who is having so much fun with their nerdiness that it's actually infectious to others.

There are more than a few INFJ 7's in this video (sorry for the tired ass Gangnam song...)

 

What an INFJ 7 would be like? For starters, they would be very difficult to type, as the standard descriptions of 7's tend to site examples of both Extroverts and Sensing preference people with the core motivations to seek fun and avoid pain. However, things like carousing and extreme sports are seldom fun to INFJs. The primary source of fun for INFJs is their imagination - which also includes their NF idealism, insight, curiosity, and detachment from 'reality'.

I've had the impression that extreme sports (which I enjoy) is an Se thing. That's one of the reasons why I question my type. Then again, I get the biggest kicks out of my imagination. Apparently you're an INFJ? What's your take on this?

An INFJ E7 would be a little like an ENFJ, but much more motivated by the things in their imagination than the people around them. They would be a talker and love energetic small groups that are also enthusiastic about their interests. They would make jokes, often inappropriate jokes because of their Se animus. They would constantly talk about things that are fun to them - though this might not be instantly apparent to others because what INFJs consider fun isn't what most people would consider fun - such as movies, video games, books, anime, and any other dorky outlets their Ni fixates on. INFJ 7's are very likely to be found trying to live out their fantasies in things that let them simulate the experience.

Bull's-eye! Sounds all so familiar. How did you come up with this? Where can I find more?